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Friday Saturday mornings at The Draft Network are one of my favorite times of the week, as we wrap up an awesome week of content with some terrific questions from our readers, while also getting prepared for an exciting slate of college football this weekend.
Has Ed Oliver fallen? Who are the top prospects slated to be at the Shrine Game? Where do the tight ends start coming off the board? Thoughts on the offensive tackle class? Deepest and shallowest position groups in the class? All that and more in today's TDN Mailbag!
Who are your Top 5 prospects committed to the East-West Shrine Game?
— Carter Donnick (@CDonScouting) December 15, 2018
My top 5 prospects, currently, in order:
1. DaMarkus Lodge, WR, Ole Miss
I'm floored he isn't at the Senior Bowl. Did I overvalue his athleticism? Anxious to see if he can dominate this week.
2. Wyatt Ray, EDGE, Boston College
Flashes are awesome, but hasn't put it all together as a pass rusher. More upside than teammate Zach Allen.
3. Brett Rypien, QB, Boise State
Rypien is better than many of the Senior Bowl quarterbacks, but I'm far from blown away by him. He should be gettin more love though.
4. Terry Beckner, IDL, Missouri
Not overly productive, just a good solid football player on day three of the draft. Smart and competitive.
5. Delvon Randall, S, Temple
Some unbelievable peak plays in college, flashes terrific instincts and was better this year, fully healthy again. My big question is: is he athletic enough to play in the NFL?
Where is the sweet spot in this draft for a tight end?
— Josiah Jones (@kajosiahwhat) December 15, 2018
It's hard to say this far out, but if a ton of these underclassmen declare, my guess is 25-50 sees 3-4 come off the board. Tight end is still viewed as a luxury pick by many teams, but that's the range of the draft you typically start seeing them come off the board. The depth could make it a group that extends serious value into day three.
Who has been your overall favorite player to watch this draft season?
— Zach Hicks (@ZachHicks2) December 15, 2018
It's cliche, but Quinnen Williams. It is very rare to see a player that dominant at the college level, especially against other elite competition. As an analyst, it's really enjoyable to have an evaluation that easy and still that fun to watch.
Who's the best actual football player of the Draft Network guys?
— The Black Heath Miller (@BlkHeathMiller) December 15, 2018
Either Brad Kelly or Joe Marino. Brad played D-III and Joe had several offers out of high school as a defensive end. They were both ballers. The rest of us held our own I believe, but Kyle and I had some injury issues and Trevor's sport was soccer. Ben is actually a big-time runner.
Do you think the Giants would be a good situation for Haskins or Herbert? In terms of getting to sit and develop, coaching, etc. Also, I’ve heard of some issues with Herbert in terms of maturity and his ability to handle the NFL, so would the New York be a bad fit for him?
— sim (@sports_simb) December 15, 2018
I don't know if Pat Shurmur will feel the same way, but I think Dwayne Haskins could be a good fit for that offense if he can clean up his mechanics. Haskins is accurate short-intermediate and comes from an offense with some similar elements to Shurmur's while still having the tools to stretch the field if he can improve his deep ball.
Justin Herbert can fit in any system, it's just a matter of him finding more consistency and managing pressure better. He's plenty mature, his personality is just quieter and not necessarily alpha-like, so I'm sure wherever he goes someone in the media will find a way to hate on his demeanor if he struggles.
Where does Greg Little tank in this OT class?
— Thomas E Michael (@ThomasEMichael6) December 15, 2018
The rumor right now is that he'll be the first one off the board, but his play on the field sure doesn't indicate that. The upside with Greg Little is obvious given his size and movement skills, but right now the technique and awareness aren't always there. That's a dangerous proposition for an offensive tackle heading to the NFL to roll up against a terrific position group of edge defenders. Despite their differences as players, there's some Kolton Miller vibes here in terms of overrated draft stock.
Am I crazy to think Oliver and willams are better prospects than bosa
— J. Schulke (@RockySports_) December 15, 2018
I don't think I can get on board with saying Ed Oliver is a better prospect than Nick Bosa, as both are athletic freaks but the latter is clearly more polished without size or level of competition concerns. I don't have any issue with Quinnen Williams over Bosa.
There's two sleepers that I like who don't get much love so I'd appreciate your thoughts on them.
1-Do you think that Joe Bachie is a Day 2 prospect?
2-Kyle Shurmur might not have much upside but I think he can be a good backup at worst. Does he get a draftable grade from TDN?
— Manuel Villeneuve (@m_vill9) December 15, 2018
I have not seen much Joe Bachie, but Kyle has and he is a big fan. My guess would be the mid-rounds (3-5), this far out it is too tough to predict more than that. He probably returns to school.
I haven't completed Kyle Shurmur's full eval yet, but from watching him live a lot this season I think he'll get a day three grade from me. He's accurate enough short-intermediate and has the right disposition for a backup quarterback in the NFL.
What is the deepest/shallowest positions this year so far?
— David (@David_Hill99) December 15, 2018
Interior defensive line, edge defender, tight end and wide receiver are pretty deep. Cornerback is getting there as well. Quarterback and offensive tackle are deep, just not particularly top-heavy right now. Interior offensive line is growing on me a bit, but still a down year, especially compared to last. Safety and running back are poor. Linebacker looks terrible right now.
You guys were so high on Ed Oliver right behind Nick Bosa did you guys find something on him that you didn’t like?
— Alec Capel (@Capelshow23) December 15, 2018
Oliver is still my no. 3 overall prospect, I'm not really lower on him than I was coming into the year, I'm just higher on Williams, who came out of nowhere. With Oliver the concerns are three-fold: 1) he's not really refined as a pass rusher just yet, winning more on pure athleticism 2) he's rumored to be about 273. That would make him the lightest full-time interior defensive lineman in the NFL, I think. 3) Going from AAC offensive lines to the NFL is a big-time leap.
He's still an awesome prospect with rare tools and power you would never guess by looking at his frame. I think he'll make a clean transition to the next level if he tests how I expect.
Where do you see Julian Love ranked among the CBs? Murphy and Greedy seem to be consensus top 2.
— Henry Elizondo (@HenryElizondo9) December 15, 2018
Right now he's my CB7 (full eval not yet completed), and I don't know that he's athletic/big enough to challenge for a top two spot. I do like Love however; heady cornerbacks who compete and can play in multiple coverage schemes have a way of making it in the NFL. His character is reportedly off the charts as well.
Thoughts on the Offensive Tackle class this year? Good value after Jonah Williams?
— Ryan K (@Roadkill823) December 15, 2018
I like Jonah Williams the most of the group by a mile. but Cody Ford and Dalton Risner are both really good prospects as well. The issue is that the NFL could easily see both as better guards than tackles, an understandable sentiment, leaving the class in dire straits. I've expressed my feelings on Little already, and I have yet to really study up Kaleb McGary or David Edwards from this past season. Jawaan Taylor's improvements this past season and Yodny Cajuste's traits at least give the group high end developmental depth. Certainly better than last year's tackle class.